Judo Jerry interviews PJ about how X Gym methods help grapplers and wrestlers and other martial artists

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From Attack The Attack 360 LLC: Interview With PJ Glassey Founder of Multi- Protocol, May 10, 2025
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“Okay. Mr. PJ, talk to me about the X Gym.

Yeah. Well, it’s a 21-minute workout, twice a week, and that’s equivalent to about seven hours of traditional training. And people, of course, question that all the time.

But we started in 1998, so we have a lot of years to prove it with a lot of data. And how we do it is with our methodology. So I invented this when I was training people mostly out of their homes and then got to the point where I had to scale myself, so opened up the X Gym in 1998.

But for 11 years prior to that is when I was coming up with this methodology, reading research and trying experiments with my people, my clients, and got to the point where it was refined enough that it was really effective and a huge time hack. So the main saying and also people, of course they understand it’s really high intensity, but it’s also safe, which is kind of weird to say in the same sentence, because usually high intensity comes with lower safety. And this is the opposite.”

“So the reason is we do time under tension. So we’re staying in contraction a lot longer than traditional training. If you think of a traditional set of, you know, you think three sets of eight to twelve reps is classic, right?

Each rep is fast, ballistic, fast enough. So at the top of the concentric phase of the contraction, you’re actually offloading. You’re resting a little bit because momentum is carrying you through that part of the contraction, that range of motion.

And all the muscle cell needs is a quarter second to refuel. So you’re literally refueling between every rep. Then you do a sub fatigue, sub failure set, and then you put the weight down and you walk around for a couple of minutes and then you come back and you do it again.

And then maybe three or four more times. And it takes a long time. But what if you were to avoid all those micro rests and stay in tension the whole time?”

“So let’s just talk about a bicep curl. That’s the easiest one to visualize. So you’re curling up, you go really fast, you’re going to rest at the top because of the momentum.

And then at the bottom, you’re going to jerk out of it, which is a lot of stress. And so then when you come out of the bottom, you’re still contracting. It’s a nice intense contraction down at the bottom.

But then momentum is built up. So halfway through the range on the way up, it gets easier. Then at the top, you offload, come back down, muscle refuels, which is great for strength.

And it’s great for bulking up. So for people that want to get jacked and stronger, traditional training is actually a really good method. That’s just not my market.

My market is really busy people that don’t care about that anymore. The biggest part of my bell curve is 40 to 70 years old, and they don’t want to get hurt. They want something safer.

They need the time efficiency, and they want to be toned and defined, but not jacked.

Gotcha.”

“So that’s why I developed this methodology with this time under tension. Now, for judo and wrestling and jiu-jitsu and a lot of those sports that require time under tension, where you’re grappling and you’re in tension, you can’t take a rest, because if you do, your opponent gets that rear naked choke or whatever it is, you can’t rest. You got to keep going.

And so that’s perfect for that kind of sport, because you’re training in time under tension, getting better at it. So then when you’re competing or practicing or whatever, you’re already good at it. And I’ve trained a couple of wrestlers who, you know, master’s level, because again, my biggest part of my bell curve is forty to seventy, so they were doing master’s competitions.

And both of them ended up winning overall in their master’s competition after training for probably four to six months, with this time under tension, because they were outlasting their opponents with their isometric strength, because they could hold it, because they’re training that way in their workouts.”

“Okay. So if I’m understanding this correctly, you’re not giving yourself a set number. You’re pushing your body to failure and then resting, and then pushing your body to failure again, correct?

Yeah. So here’s the other magic is we only have to do one set per exercise.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. So we’re always doing really compound motions. But one set, if you go to complete muscle failure is enough.

And then they did studies where, and they’re all on my website, all these studies on our bibliography page, but because of my book too. But when people go to true failure, physical failure, and then they compare one, those one set people to two, three, four, and five set people, there’s no difference. The two, three, four, five set people are just wasting time because they’re not getting an additional benefit by doing it again to failure.”

“Now, if you aren’t able to go to true physical failure, then you do need to do multiple sets and you will get more benefit out of it. But if you learn how to do this and competitive fighters know how to do this because they have to do it, then they don’t have to learn it, then they can just do it and then they can get by with just this one set per exercise.

Is it similar to the HIIT program?

Yes. High-intensity training is that is our wheelhouse. That is certainly what this is.

People would describe it as HIIT. Then sometimes people talk about HIIT, which is the interval training, and that’s more of a cardio, which we also do. We have classes at X Gym on that, too.”

“But that’s more towards the cardio side, and HIIT or HIST, High Intensity Strength Training, is more toward the strength side of things. But the cool thing about HIIT is, if you’re doing it right at the end of the exercise, you’re gonna get close to, or maybe to, maximal heart rate. Because you’re pushing that hard, if you really know how to do it, and especially if you stay in time under tension.

Because our exercises take two to three minutes of time under tension. That’s a lot of work. It starts out easy, but boy, it ends up hard.

And you wanna quit after one minute, but you’re going another minute or two, pushing past that, to really get that heart rate up, because it has to go up, especially if you’re failing, truly failing, physical failure. You’re gonna spike way up there. And so, five or six exercises later, if you graphed your heart rate on a piece of paper, it would look like interval training.

Oh, wow. And especially because we’re coaching people between exercises. We only have a minute or so between exercises.”

“We’re going over the other one. But we’re coaching people on how to get your heart rate down, which is equally as important as getting your heart rate up, because it’s the change in heart rate, the up and the down, the peak and the valley. The farther apart the peak and the valley is, the better benefit your heart gets.

People get cardio and endurance out of this style training without having to do cardio exercise. Now, if they want the elite level of cardio, then they would need to do more cardio, but our people get a really good level of cardio, even though it walks and talks and smells like strength training because of that interval effect.

Gotcha, gotcha. So this age group from, you said, 40 to 70?

Yeah, that’s the main part of it. We have people in their 20s and people in their 90s, but that’s the biggest part of our belt group.

That’s the biggest part? Okay, because I fall in that range. And I would like to try.”

“Yeah, so do I. Because my method of especially strength training for what I’m doing, I’m not even thinking one set. I’m always thinking about, okay, how can I get more reps in?

How can I get more reps into failure? And then on top of that, take a 30 second break and then do another set to failure. And is that really ideal for guys that are training?

Or do you think just one set is actually good enough? Just space it out.

If it is true failure, then one set is good enough. Now, let me tell you what that means. So a lot of people don’t even really know what that feels like.

Right, a lot of people don’t know what true failure is. It’s like if you’re trying, you know, go ahead and explain it. I’ll let you explain that.

Well, okay, let’s just say that you are a competitive grappler, wrestling, judo, whatever, and your opponent is cranking on you and they’re trying to get your hands unlocked to put you in some sort of arm bar. And you’re, of course, resisting that. You’ve kind of run out of options.”

“So all you can do right now is just resist.

Right.

If they have better isometric and time under tension strength than you do and endurance, they’re gonna be able to get those hands apart and they’re gonna be able to put you in that. Because at the point where they get your hands apart, that’s true physical failure.

Okay.

So you’ll say you’re able to hold for 20 seconds, but then they break you and they get those hands apart.

Right.

That’s the true physical failure point.

Okay.

Now the way that we get people there is with this time under tension and the coaching through it. So the first couple minutes of an exercise that we do is the method rep. We have seven different methods, meaning the way that we do the rep is different between the methods.

And so we will do our method for a couple of minutes. And we’re trying to get that person to failure within those two minutes. And then we go more with, longer, with splinter techniques.

Maybe that’s pulses, maybe that’s a movement that’s isometric against the trainer. So it’s an overload. Maybe it’s a negative.”

“We have thirty to choose from, but it is the trainer’s decision which one they throw at that person. But now we’re going beyond failure until we can, because it’s really only when you go beyond failure, getting to it is great and that’s enough. But why not go beyond?

Because most people, when they get to failure, they just quit. They go, oh, I can’t do it anymore. That was great.

Good set. But if you can go beyond with help from somebody else, that’s even better.

Right.

Because once you get to the point where you fail, that means probably 60, 70% of your muscle fibers available have run out of fuel.

Okay.

Great. Because all those muscle fibers got the message to change. But there’s still 30% left that you could target by going beyond failure with the help of one of the Splendor Techniques or somebody else.

Okay.

So you can target those. Now, you can never get 100% of your muscle fibers to fail.

Right.

But you can get closer than failure. And there’s different phases to it too.

Okay.

So the first phase… Okay, go ahead.

No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.”

“I don’t want to interrupt. Yeah, the first phase is mental. That’s when you think you failed.

Okay.

But that’s not failure. The second phase is concentric. So that’s the lifting phase of the exercise.

So on a bicep curl, that would be lifting the weight up.

Right.

So you go until you get stuck and you can’t… Somewhere in the range, you get stuck and you can’t lift it any further. You can’t go any further in the range.

That’s concentric failure. That’s great.

Okay.

Then there’s isometric failure, because you’re always stronger isometrically than you are concentrically. And so you can hold more weight than you can lift when you stop being able to lift it. Right.

Okay.

Yes. Yes.

I see what you’re saying.

So I hand you a 100-pound bag of groceries, and you can hold it with a 90-degree elbows, but you can’t curl it.

Right.

See? So isometrically, we’re stronger than we are concentrically. So the next phase, the third phase is isometric failure when you can’t even hold it.”

“But then there’s one beyond that. It’s isentric failure. The last phase, when you’re at the top or anywhere in the range with that bicep curl, and now you can’t even fight it.

You can’t hold it anymore. You’re beyond isometric failure. Now you can’t even resist the down.

You can slow it down a little bit, but it’s more than you can even resist. That’s isentric failure. So what we do is we try to get people to concentric failure within the reps.

Then with our splinter techniques, we go beyond that to get them past isentric failure, which usually requires the help of somebody else.

Right.

Or just kind of maybe cheat it up or whatever that, but we use too good a form to do that part. So some way to get to the isentric failure part. And that’s where the unicorn zone happens.

Yeah, that’s where wonderful results happen with the concentric failure.

Okay.

If people can get to that part, but eccentric, it’s the results are exponential. So if you were to draw a chart, it would go, it would just skyrocket when you’re in eccentric.

Okay.”

“That’s the unicorn zone. So our people are doing that. And that’s why when I, when I’ve trained competitive grapplers, they have been able to wrestle people that are stronger than them, but because they can outlast them because of their endurance, especially isometric, right?

They, the other person is stronger, but not as trained for the endurance. Same thing with arm wrestling, right? You can hold somebody.

That’s isometric. Or you can hold a stronger person because they’re going concentric, trying to push you down while you’re holding isometric.

Right.

So you can be weaker, but hold that stronger person and tire them out while you’re holding. And if you’re trained for it, now you’ve got more energy than they do and you put them down.

Exactly. Okay. I see what you’re saying.

I’m actually visualizing what you’re saying. How does it work? Now, just so that way I’m understanding this part of it, the splinter part of it, right?

Yeah.”

“So if I’m doing a curl, and I’m already at that point to where I’m like halfway in motion, and my arm is shaking, and I can’t lift it up any higher, but it’s almost at a ninety degree, that splinter part that you were talking about, is you guiding me upwards? Is that what I’m… Okay.

You’re helping me to finish that rep?

Yeah. That would be assisted. How about resisted one?

I could help you to the top, and then let it go, and you fight it as you come down.

Okay. Okay.

Yeah.

No, this is good stuff. I hear about it, and I’ve actually not that long ago heard about working out one set to failure is all you really need. And so I didn’t really get to find, like I heard about it, I just didn’t get to find that article to read it, and to see like how is it better.

But the way you’re explaining it, that’s awesome. So does that…

Yeah.”

“How does that work so like, for instance, farmers carry, right? Because grip strength is part of it, and you’re just holding those dumbbells, do you just hold them and hold them until you can’t, until your fingers just give up and you let them go? Or is that one method?

Yeah. That would be a perfect example of this.

Okay.

So you’re holding and when you feel like you’re going to drop them, you probably have about 30 more seconds.

Right.

Because, yeah, because they’re going to start to pull out of your hand and your hand’s going to slowly start to open up. And then finally you’re just hanging on by your fingerprints. And then you’re going to want to get lower to the ground so you don’t tear the carpet or whatever you drop them on.

But you’re just holding them barely off the ground until you can’t do anything. You’re forced to drop them and you’re still trying a hundred percent as they come out of your hands and drop.

Okay, okay.

Yeah, that’s a great example.”

“So here’s, okay, so how about this? Most athletes separate their push-pull workouts, right? One day they’ll do pulling methods, the next day they’ll do pushing methods.

Same thing when it comes down to legs or upper body or abs, whatever it is, right? They have a certain routine. Is it possible to do a full-body workout to failure?

Or do you not recommend that?

It is possible. You got to work up to it. Because that takes some tolerance, and you have to build that tolerance with time.

So a beginner to this style of training probably would not be able to do that.

Right.

But, I’m talking in the context of athletes, like people that listen to this podcast. Right. Trained people.

Now, a beginner, sure, because a beginner just can’t push that hard. They don’t know how yet.

Right.”

“And so they can handle a full-body, because they’re not going to get to failure at first. They have to discover with time and practice what that even means and what that even feels like. And so, but when they get to that point, yeah, they could probably handle it, because they have built a tolerance along the way to be able to do that.

Gotcha. Now, would this work for also rehab? Now, a lot of judo players, a lot of jiu-jitsu players, a lot of wrestlers, especially when they’re doing grappling, any grappling art, there’s sombo.

There’s always some type of injury to the knees, hyperextension in the pec muscle, hyperextension in the shoulder or the bicep area or in the elbow. A lot of leg locks, so there’s hyperextension that way. But when it comes down to rehab, there’s this one thing called BFR, Blood Flow Restriction, that a lot of being in the…”

“When I was doing prosthetics at Fort Sam, here on BAMC, that’s where they actually developed the BFR method, Blood Flow Restriction. But it wasn’t to failure. What it was, was that you’re doing a, and if we’re gonna use the, you know, like legs or bicep curl, you would have this blood cuff on your arm or on your leg, and it’s set for your blood pressure.

And what it does is that when you’re getting ready to do the workout, it tightens up really, really tight to limit the blood flow. And you’re doing four sets, first set of 30, then after that, then you rest for 30 seconds, then you hit 15, 15, 15. And then you take it off and then it feels like you just lifted a hundred pounds.

To help rebuild the muscle faster. Is it possible to do the same thing with what you’re talking about?

Yeah, it’s funny you mentioned that. And I’ve done BFR quite a bit. I highly recommend it.

And that is good for rehab because you can get away with lifting lighter weights. Same with our methodology. You can’t do a heavy weight with our methodology.”

“You can’t hold a heavy weight in time under tension for two to three minutes. It’s not possible. So you’re forced to use lighter weights than you would use at Gold’s Gym or CrossFit, like a third of the weight.

So that’s why it’s safer and that’s why it’s also more appropriate for rehab. Now, really acute injury, you just got to leave that sucker alone. And you know, do other things, exercise other parts of the body, because circulation is systemic.

So you’re still increasing circulation to that area. Last year, I broke my collarbone out on the tennis court, and I was training the next day, but just legs. Because I know that I want that circulation.

Blood flow heals things. So if I’m cranking on my legs, then it’s going to be a systemic circulation, and blood flow is going to be flowing over that fracture, which is awesome. But I didn’t do anything.

I didn’t do any upper body until I got out of the sling.

Got you. Got you.

Now, resistant bands.

Could you still do the same method using resistance bands, if someone doesn’t have weights or they don’t want to go to the gym?

“Yep. It’s perfect for resistance bands.

Because you’re getting that tension going up and also going down, right?

Exactly. Yeah. Especially for pushing exercises.

Got you.

Bands are fantastic because they’re going to give you more resistance at the end of the push and less resistance than the beginning. Typically, you’re stronger at the end of the push than the beginning. So they’re great for that.

We use resistance bands for lots of things.

Okay.

Well, I’m only asking now because I’m going to be selfish.

It’s like I work out.

I’m trying to get back into working out here at home, and I have a whole bunch of resistant bands, and I have two 20-pound dumbbells. So, I try to do more reps or try to what I think is failure, but it’s not failure. Now that you’re explaining it, I know it’s not failure, but I’ll end up doing like four sets of 25 on a 20-pound curl, you know what I mean?”

“But then, the next day, I’m like, I just felt like I just lifted over 100 pounds, and I’m hurting. So, I’m doing the multiple sets, but I haven’t tried it to failure part, and I think I’m going to. I think this is very interesting, because if I can get away with doing a 20-minute workout or a 30-minute workout because I’m extremely busy, then I’d rather work one exercise to failure, and then hopefully I should be sore the next day, correct?

Yep. Now, the other thing with this style of training is because you’re using a lighter weight, and because you’re doing slow motion, controlled motion. We have seven different methods, but all of them are controlled motions.

Nothing is ballistic. Nothing is snappy, herky-jerky. It’s very slow and controlled to do time and attention properly.”

“So, when you’re doing it that way, you’re not creating micro tears, which is what traditional training does, which is great if you want to get jacked. But if you want functional strength and endurance without bulking up, then that’s what our methodology is for. And because it’s such time and attention and controlled motions without the herky-jerky heavy weights, we don’t get micro tears.

And so we don’t have that kind of soreness. Now, if you are sore from this style of workout, it’s different than what you would feel with bodybuilding or CrossFit, because it’s a different kind of motion. One example is our seven-second method.

So it’s seven seconds up and seven seconds down. Seven-second concentric and seven-second eccentric without offloading at the top or the bottom. So again, in the example of a bicep curl, you’re going to start at the bottom with your forearm at 45 degrees.

It’s not straight down. It’s up a little bit. That’s the bottom.”

“And the top, keeping your elbows back through the whole range, is also going to be 45 degree forearms, because your elbows are back and you won’t be able to get higher than that. And you’re still in tension at the top. Seven seconds from the bottom to the top, seven seconds from the top to the bottom.

Okay, so that way, I can try to do this mentally, physically. If I’m holding it down, that’s where I’m coming upwards, but counting seven seconds, correct?

Yeah.

So I’ll be going one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand, four one thousand, all the way up to seven, and by seven, I should be up here. And then I count seven seconds going down, one one thousand, two one thousand.

Is that correct?

That’s correct.

Okay, cool. Now I’m understanding a lot more.

Yep. And you’re staying in tension throughout the entire range, including the top and the bottom. And because you’re going so slow, there’s no momentum.

Right.

Yep. And so you’re going to get, you’re going to have to use a light weight to do that.

Yeah.

Twenty pounds is going to be too much.”

“I’m starting to think it.

But pretty soon, it won’t be too much.

Got you.

You know, after a month of doing that, that twenty pounds isn’t too much. So then you’re noticing that you’re able, and you want to keep track of the reps because seven second up, seven second down is a fourteen second rep. Seven of those is about two minutes.

Right. So then you’re, then you start your splinters. Hopefully you’ll get to failure.

And you want to get to failure between four and seven reps. So if you can’t do four, pick a lighter weight.

Gotcha.

If you can do more than seven, pick a heavier weight.

Okay.”

“And then whenever you fail between four and seven reps, and wherever in the range that you fail, because you’ll always fail first concentrically, then you hold it because now you’re trying to get that isometric failure. This is if you’re training yourself.

Right.

And then maybe cheat a little bit, not a whole lot, because you don’t want to have bad form, but maybe do something like a little hop or something to get it up to the top.

Okay.

And now you’re trying to train your eccentric failure to try to fight it and to get to the point where you can’t even fight it anymore, you’re just a noodle.

Right.

And there’s no strength left, there’s nothing left. And then you’re sending the message to the muscle fibers for change. And you’ve gotten more than if you just stopped at mental or concentric phase failure, because it’s really, I mean, people can do low intensity exercise.

And if they’re sedentary and they start that, then they can get results, but they’re going to plateau pretty fast.

Okay.”

“And the results aren’t going to be anything exciting. But if they go to the unicorn zone and they can get to the point, again, nobody can do this right away. It has to be trained and it has to be learned.

Right.

But once you get to that unicorn zone, now you’re not going to adapt because you’re training so hard, the body doesn’t know how to adapt because you’re activating fight or flight. And you’re taking more of those muscle fibers, a higher number, to failure. Because if the muscle fiber runs out of fuel, then it says, whoa, I got to change, I’m not adequate.

But if you let a muscle fiber not fail, then at the end of that exercise, that fiber says, well, I’m adequate, I could do it, why change?

Okay.

They won’t change unless they have to. But if they run out of fuel, then they know they have to.

Then they have to change.

Interesting.”

“Could this also work with body weight? There’s a lot of people out there that don’t want to go to the gyms and don’t want to buy resistant bands or have weights at home. So body weight is also possible?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, if you go on YouTube and type in calisthenic dudes, those guys are, they’re no joke. They don’t have any equipment.

And you know who Herschel Walker is?

Yes.

So when he was playing ball, before he got to college and before he won the Heisman, he was just doing bodyweight stuff. Because when he grew up, he couldn’t afford equipment. He didn’t have any.

So he was just doing handstand pushups and wall pushups and pull ups and lunges and everything that he could. And so then when he got to the college combine, you know, kind of like the NFL combine, the number of college, there’s a story of him coming up to the bench press, the barbell bench press, 225 for reps. And you know, people are doing this.

And so then it’s his turn. And he goes, all right, that looks interesting. Can someone show me how to do this?”

“Because he’d never done a bench press before. And then, so they showed him, and he got down, he picked up 225, and he started repping it. And he was noticing that most people could do like 10 max with 225.

And so he got 211, and then he put it down, but he wasn’t getting tired yet. And so everybody’s like, why did you stop? And he goes, oh, I don’t know, I was getting bored.

That was the first time he did bench. So dude, yeah, dude built his strength with calisthenics.

With calisthenics.

So it’s legit, yeah.

Okay. It’s just a matter of the person putting in the time to do this. And they have to really want to do it.

An effort.

An effort, yes. I mean, nothing’s easy, right? But if it was easy, everyone would be able to do it.

No problem.

Bingo.

Right?

So.

Yeah, bingo.

Yeah. It’s just a mess.

So talk about because are you do online training as well?

Yes. Personal training? We do live training at X Gym with one-on-one and small group.”

“And then we do a ton of online, which we’ve been doing that since 2017. So when COVID hit, we were the OG. Yeah.

And then we have a worldwide app. So X gym.com. Everything’s on our website.

So they can purchase out or purchase like a video workout and follow the routine in a way too.

Yeah.

Okay.

Cool.

Well, plug your stuff, man. Plug your X Gym and everything that you do on there. And then guys, this is PJ Glassey.

He is the founder and inventor of the X gym.com. Go for it, man. Talk about it.

Yeah. It’s well, you know, it’s we don’t claim to be for everybody, but for people that want to get results and don’t want to spend a whole lot of time and don’t want to get jacked, but tone and defined and functional fitness, we’re the place. And to huge time hack, like I said, we have the X Gym, we have the online training, we have the app and also a brain type test because one of the things that I discovered over the years is the whole mental aspect of this.”

“And people can learn faster how to get that mental aspect, but also to overcome roadblocks with nutrition and motivation and things where they’re stuck.

Yeah.

With the brain type test I developed, and it’s just a 20 question test and it tells you your brain type. And then it gives you suggestions based on your unique brain wiring for motivation and getting past roadblocks and all those kinds of things too. So it’s a mental game.

We’ve talked a lot about that already today, but it’s a learned process, but it’s a mental game and this is kind of a shortcut to that mental side of it.

Got you.

Cool.

I’m actually curious about the app. Tell me about the app.

Is it on all phones, like iPhone?

So here’s the thing, is it is web-based now. We used to have it in the App Store and Google Play, but I switched it off those to the web-based because it’s a real pain in the butt to try to keep everything and change things for them.

Right.”

“I just don’t like other people telling me what to do. I’m a little bit oppositional to them. And so I got off there and I went to web-based.

So it’s all through our website. So when people go there, then they can sign up. Okay.

But it’s easy to make it like an app because for instance, on an iPhone, you just hit the share button and then share it to your desktop. And then boom, it’s on there. And then you click it to open it and it works just like an app.

And then we were able to make it less expensive too because we weren’t paying the fees for all that. And then it’s very simple. There’s nothing fancy with our app.

It’s just videos to do, but there’s filters. And so you can find them easy and you can filter out based on what method you want to do, what muscles you want to train. There’s individual exercises to do if you kind of want to build your own.”

“And there’s full body routines to do if you want to do that, strength and cardio, so lots of options for people. But we’re not for everybody, like I say, and our style is very unique. Some people just don’t like it, and that’s fine.

We’re not trying to be for everybody. We’re trying to be for the people that are going to get something out of it.

Yeah, because everyone’s used to the old school method, you know, and I’m one of them. I’m used to that old school method. You know, I’m going to go ahead and go to the gym and I’m going to work just buys and tries and I’m going to do it, you know, for sets up to whatever number I can get up to, you know, but I actually, I’ve been, this is the second time I’ve heard working out and then lifting or even using resistive bands or body weight and doing something to failure.”

“Instead of giving you, instead of giving yourself a set number, instead of saying, I’m going to do 10, okay, keep going until you can’t do a push up no more. For you, they’re shaking and you’re trying to push and you can’t get it. Keep going.

And then if you can’t lift it up, then if you’re already like halfway, hold it. Then if you’re able to hold it, then I want to try it. You know, that sounds interesting to me.

So, and it would cut the workout program, you know, from an hour to 30 to 20 to 30 minutes.

Absolutely. But I also tell people that it’s an art. You have to be patient with yourself.

Right. Because you’re going to suck at it at first. Yes.

And that’s okay. And a lot of people will come and do our intro workout at the X Gym. And they will say, Oh, this is more like a dojo than a gym.

Yeah. Because it’s a methodology that you’re learning and getting better at. And I’ll tell people that.”

“And I’ll tell people, yeah, so it’s, it is. And you’ll get better at this faster than you will a martial art. But there’s a lot of similarities.

And think about when you go for your first session at Judo. Right. You’re going to suck at it.

You’re going to be horrible. But then your second session, you still suck, but you suck less.

Right.

And over time, you’re like, oh, I’m starting to get this.

You’re starting to get it.

Same with this. Now with Judo, it’ll take a year before, you know, you feel like you’re competent. Right.

And you’re able to have some form of mastery. With my methodology, it’s more like a month, but there’s still that process where you’re going to feel like you suck and you got to work through that and that’s okay.

Right.

Well, again, it’s not, nothing’s easy.

And if it was easy, everyone would be able to do it, right?

Yeah, that’s right.

I like this.

I like this concept.”

“I’m actually going to start trying it and doing it just because, again, you know, I’m not getting any younger and I still want to be able to be mobile. I still want to be able to move. I still want to be able to do things, you know?

So, I’m actually interested in this and I’m going to go to the website.

What’s the website? I know you got several of them, right?

xgym.com.

Just xgym.com.

You can find everything there. xgym.com.

Okay, cool. Hey, PJ, I really appreciate this. Let me close off and then I’ll stop recording and then we can continue a conversation if you have time.

Right on.

All right.

Yeah.

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You can check it out. Look at all the options. There’s also videos there.”

“I was able to get to it before I did the interview. And I was already, like, intrigued and hyped up, looking forward to even trying this method of working out. Guys, if you want to, you can also go to attacktheattack360.com.

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